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    Post  Bad John on January 28th 2015, 9:29 pm

    Alrighty. You know the drill. It's time we did something together instead of mumbling to ourselves in separate corners like a bunch of chodes. To that end, I'm striding in like a hero or whatever to bring us all in in a creative group-hug.

    On that note, I have several ideas we can cut our teeth on creatively speaking. Pick the one you want.


    • First and foremost is a Halo story introducing the new universe we're messing around with.

    • Destiny collab in which our characters are on a trek across Earth to locate a powerful darkness.

    • A superhero collab. Much darker than the last, wherein characters are more like mutants from X-Men. Characters are working for an organization that keeps the more malevolent, evil mutants in check.

    • A medieval odyssey to rescue the Queen from her failing health by killing the powerful,  evil wizard who cursed her.

    • And of course High School romance.
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    Post  Manny on January 28th 2015, 10:00 pm

    I'm always down for a collab, mostly because of the team effort involved.

    Yay for Halo and Destiny. Nay for mutants and high school. A maybe for medieval odyssey.
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    Post  Shad0wChas3r on January 28th 2015, 11:22 pm

    Oh hells yeah! My vote goes to Destiny, I'd really like to do a collab/raid with Drake.


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    Post  Bad John on January 29th 2015, 12:03 am

    We got one and a half votes for Destiny, and half a vote for Halo.

    Seems like this is swinging towards Destiny. :P

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    Post  zman007playr on January 29th 2015, 6:15 am

    I say a yay for Halo and destiny(you guys might have to fill me in because I know jack shit about it) and nay for all the rest. But I'm always down for a good ole fashioned collab.
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    Post  Bad John on January 29th 2015, 11:04 am

    ...So nobody for the High School Romance collab...?

    I worked so hard on the plot. It was in Japan and everything.
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    Post  It's Kruger on January 29th 2015, 7:12 pm

    Yay on Destiny, Halo, and the High School Romance as long as I can be the girl who blows the entire class.

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    Post  Bad John on January 29th 2015, 7:25 pm

    We'll call it, "Vale-Chan in Paradise."

    Lol. It's pretty clear that we're going with Destiny! Anyone wanna get Zman up to speed on the subject?
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    Post  Shad0wChas3r on January 29th 2015, 8:31 pm

    Oh fuck yes! It's Morgan's time to shine!

    Destiny Lore 101: THERE IS NONE Very Happy

    In all seriousness though, it's actually pretty complex and detailed as hell. I'll bring you up to speed.

    In the beginning, there was man. Man had always aspired to ascend beyond Earth, to find it's Destiny among the stars. It was on one fateful Mars mission that a group of three scientists discovered the Traveler. We did not know the full capacity of this giant orb of awesome, except that it could grant us a treasure trove of knowledge and technology.

    This ushered in a time we Humans knew as 'The Golden Age'. It was a time of flourishing scientific discovery, weapon advancements, and space travel. Not only did Humanity finally bring it's dream to populate the stars a reality, we were able to discover cures for unthinkable illnesses, and Human life span tripled as a result.

    However, with the wonders that the Golden Age brought, nothing could prepare us for what would come. The Darkness, the Traveler's ancient enemy, had finally found our savior. Humanity fought, alongside the Traveler and their newly created Exo Humans, against the Darkness... but it was all in vain. The Darkness, while suppressed by the Traveler's dying breath, was successful in tearing Humanity off of it's self appointed throne, throwing us into a time known only as 'The Collapse'.

    Where the Golden Age brought peace, knowledge, and life, the Collapse brought terror, removed our knowledge, and death. It was a dark time for Humanity. Many, like the Dead Orbit faction, looked to the stars once more, leaving Earth for the Darkness, hoping to start anew elsewhere. These people, influenced by the Darkness, would eventually become a sub species of Humans known as the Awoken, a Matriarchal society that neither fought for the Light of the Traveler, or the Dark of the Darkness.

    Other groups, such as the Future War Cult and New Monarchy, thought the collapse as a time of new beginnings. FWC wanted to use the Collapse to bring Humanity's militarized ways forward, ushering in a new Militaristic Government, while the New Monarchy firmly believed the Traveler was still alive, and that the Speaker, the one to communicate directly with the Traveler, would become King.

    There was one group, however, that only saw the Collapse for what it was; devastation for Humanity. The Vanguard wouldn't let the Collapse take Humanity down, they'd fight to win, or die trying. When the Traveler 'died', it created these small orbs of lights known as Ghosts. Ghosts are a Guardian's life-line, as long as you have your Ghost intact, you can die and be revived anew.

    Using it's freshly formed Ghosts, the Traveler sought out Humans destined for greatness, regardless of when they died, to become Guardians. Reborn from the light of the Traveler, Guardians are able to use all forms of Light as a weapon. From there, three separate 'Guilds' were formed; Titan, Warlock, Hunter.

    Titans stood at the head of the Vanguard, they were the direct fighters of the three classes of Guardians. They are excellent Tacticians and can easily soak up hits for other Guardians. Wielding Arc and Void Light, Titans can create neigh impenetrable spheres of Void Light to protect allies from harm, and even improve their allies and their own abilities as a result. Likewise, they can use Arc Light to create a pulsing circle of electrical light around themselves and damage foes with the Fist of Havoc.

    Warlocks are the Intelligence and Support class of the Guardians. Warlocks, while still direct, tend to hang back in combat to hit foes at a medium distance. They take information from the Hunters, analyze it, and bring it to the Titans to assist them in combat. Armed with Solar and Void Light, Warlocks can use the Void to tear their enemies apart at a molecular level with their Nova Bomb. But if their allies are in a pinch and they find themselves dead, they can pull themselves from the Void of Death using Solar Light, reviving themselves without the need of their Ghosts.

    Hunters are the Scouts of the Guardians. Hunters tend to stay out of combat in a direct sense, they prefer to stay farther back than the Warlocks and Titans, but have the massive advantage of turning the odds of battle in their allies favor. Preferably using Long-Mid range weaponry, the Hunters are survivalists. Just their armor alone allows them to survive in the wilderness for weeks on end. They tend to gather information to bring to the Warlocks. They use Solar and Arc Light to fuel their abilities, whether it is to take that perfect shot with the Solar enhanced Hand Cannon- or the grace of an electrically charged knife/sword.

    Together, the Hunters, Warlocks, and Titans form the Vanguard. With only the Speaker to communicate to them through the Traveler, these Guardians go where no other man or woman dares to go. They go beyond the only Safe City left, finding resources and solutions, their ultimate goal; destroy the Darkness, return Humanity to it's Golden Age.


    AAAAAAAAAAND there you have it. At some point I'll right a small synopsis on the enemy arch-types if you want. Give a little data on weapons and the enemy factions.


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    Post  Bad John on January 29th 2015, 9:07 pm

    Shad0wChas3r wrote:Hunters are the Scouts of the Guardians. Hunters tend to stay out of combat in a direct sense, they prefer to stay farther back than the Warlocks and Titans, but have the massive advantage of turning the odds of battle in their allies favor. Preferably using Long-Mid range weaponry, the Hunters are survivalists. Just their armor alone allows them to survive in the wilderness for weeks on end. They tend to gather information to bring to the Warlocks. They use Solar and Arc Light to fuel their abilities, whether it is to take that perfect shot with the Solar enhanced Hand Cannon- or the grace of an electrically charged knife/sword.

    I disagree with this school of thought, specifically in terms of Hunters. They have immediately lethal close quarters options, and while they're associated with sniping and stealth, being at the back of the battlefield is often not their element. Between modifiers and armor that implicitly incentivise the use of hand cannons, and the fact that they're deadly with knives, they aren't exactly built for stealth and long range work, they're built for survival and independence on the battlefield in every aspect of combat, near or far.
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    Post  Shad0wChas3r on January 29th 2015, 10:19 pm

    Allow me to rectify that, while they generally go for the longer range of combat, Hunters are also known for going behind enemy lines for close quarters. But usually when Titans or Warlocks are nearby, Hunters tend to stand back.


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    Post  Bad John on January 31st 2015, 5:06 pm

    ABRIDGED VERSION

    Basically, you're a Guardian. Guardians are dead peeps that a Ghost brought back to life. Guardians are undying, as whenever they get killed, a Ghost can use the Traveler's Light to bring them back to life. So, if Jojo were to get strangled to death by a bad guy, the Ghost could revive him.

    Your Ghost is a little floating thing about the size of an apple with a single, spherical eyeball and a few triangles floatin' around them like a boss. They can unlock doors, summon weapons, and generally help you out. If the Ghost dies, you die PERMANENTLY.

    There are three species in humanity's group. Humans, who are pretty uncomplicated. 

    There are the Exo, tireless badass robots. They got put together by humans a long time ago, and are INCREDIBLY complex. For all intents and purposes, they're human beings.

    And there's the Awoken. They're glowy humans. They're pretty cool. Kinda like elves. Some reside in space, some are earthborn.

    Any of those three species can be Guardians.

    There are three types of Light, that the Guardians use offensively.

    Solar, the power of the Sun. Powerful, burning heat.

    Arc, the power of Electricity. Lightning, and painful shocks.

    Void, the power of Gravity. Dark, all consuming power.

    There are three classes.

    Titans use heavy armor, brute force, and endurance to harry the enemy and defend their colleagues. They're like rugby players on the battlefield, and can body-check their way through opponents or absorb damage that could be lethal to allies with less hardy constitutions. They're known to use Void and Arc energy to create shields or bludgeon foes into nothing. Guardians among guardians, they act as powerful knights on the battlefield and in society.

    Warlocks use magic to dominate the paint on the battlefield. They crush enemies aside with powerful bursts of Solar or Void energy, leeching the power of opponents, devastating enemies with black holes, or even rising from the grave like a Phoenix after death. They are the only ones with the power to bring themselves back to life unassisted by a Ghost. They act as Hierophants and Scholars, seeking wisdom and beating back the darkness with raw, externalized power.

    Hunters are survivalists, scouts, and adventurers. Akin to warriors or the wild west, they favor the use of Light to enhance their weaponry, rather than magic or their own bodies. Using their wits and steely nerves, they are known to cut a swath through the wilderness, or preform brutal wetwork behind enemy lines. They wield Arc and Solar damage, summoning a Golden Gun to devastate enemies, or an Arc Blade, a weapon that cuts so keenly it disintegrates all that it touches. Lethal with a blade, and confident with any gun you hand them, Hunters are a deadly, unpredictable wildcard, riding ahead to reclaim all that humanity has lost.

    Then, there are the enemies.

    The Fallen are probably the most akin to humans in terms of enemies. Sporting four arms and four eyes, the average fallen is the height of a human. Their lowest castes have their lower arms chopped off and capped, forcing them to resemble humans (that should say how much they like us). The Fallen, frighteningly, vary largely in size due to their consumption of a substance called Ether. The more you eat, the bigger you are. Their peasant class eat only enough to remain alive, the size of a human, and scrawny to boot. Their highest classes, Archons and Kells, are nearly twice our size, and heavy. They divide themselves into houses, and tend to hate rival houses as much as they hate humans.

    The Hive are horrible scary zombies. Covered in hard exoskeletons, they are bred for conquest, and to carve out planets to live underground. Like horrible zombie ants, they resemble a kind of corrupted royalty. Their strongest wield blades so dark that they carve through and destroy light, or worse, FEED off of Light like ants feed on sugar. The mightiest Hive faced in battle thus far has been Crota, an immense Knight who conquered the moon. Their craftiest was Omnigul, a witch who acted as Crota's will, using her magic to slay guardians. In my opinion, they're the coolest enemy.

    The Vex are a bit strange. Robots who seek to conquer space and time, they completely converted Venus into a machine. They stalk the shadows of Venus and Mars, their unknown machinations carried out in realms locked out of our Timestream. Robotic, they serve a compound mind, all working towards the same goal, much like the Hive. Though no real leadership has been seen, They do have powerful robots delegated to certain duties, like Gate Lords such as Zydron, a two story robot, or even worse, Atheon, who once (and technically still does, since there are timelines where he's still alive) stalks/ed the Vault of Glass.

    Then there's the Cabal. They're really big critters who wear heavy armor and have tanks. Nobody really cares about them.

    That's all you need to know. Feel free to check the Destiny Wiki (any one of them, since there's like five) to expand your knowledge!
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    Post  Bad John on January 31st 2015, 6:13 pm

    If I had to put it to a metaphor, I'd say the Hunters are the tip of the spear, parting the air, drawing blood, and finding gaps in the armor, the Titans are the unyielding shaft (lol), holding the instrument together, deflecting strikes of the enemy, and beating back opponents who draw too close, and the Warlocks are the hand guiding the instrument, twisting and directing the assault with power, grip, and poise.
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    Post  Bad John on February 2nd 2015, 12:09 pm

    ALRIGHT. Let's kick some ideas around.

    Here's mine. Don't just passively accept this shit. I want some feedback.

    That means you Vale. You're the premier "Destiny Guy" and you've barely said anything this whole discussion. I ought to punch you for your insolence. d>:[

    Alright. So, there's a Guardian named Artitha. A Warlock who wields Void Light like nobody's business, and has an auto rifle forged from the steel of a broken Gjallerhorn. She's a badass, a joy to work with, and generally on the ball. Even Hunters don't talk shit about Artitha. Real rising star of the industry.

    A dude lured her out, and killed her in the field. Titan. Real mean. He was once just as loved as Artitha. His name was once Bellamy. They called him "The Invincible Bellamy." 

    During the battle for the moon, he looked Crota in the eye, and realized the genuine despair of attempting to slow the Hive. He fled, and wasn't heard from again until now. He's a twisted, powerful Lich Titan with bony armor and huge muscles. When you see him, you're like, "fuuuuuuuuuuuck, he's pretty metal looking."

    Using the light of Artitha's captured Ghost, he intends to call an audience with Oryx, feeding the Hive and fueling the reconstruction of that big communicator ball the Guardians blew up on the Moon, so Oryx can directly communicate with his children once again. In the wake of the Hive's arrival on earth, having a construct like that created on our planet could be DEVASTATING, allowing Oryx (though far away) to orchestrate a campaign to turn the Earth into a massive, gross Hive just like the Moon.

    That's where our Guardians come in. The good guys mobilize based on fractured communications from Artitha's ghost, but their ships are shot down before they can descend upon Bellamy's hideout. Trapped in the Old Ukraine, behind enemy lines, the Guardians must make their way through the territories of the Fallen House of Buzzards, and enter the domain of the Beldam Horde, where Bellamy and a powerful witch convene, feeding on the light of Artitha's ghost.

    The mission is simple. Make it there alive, kill Bellamy, rescue the captured Ghost and revive Artitha, and destroy the Hive's construct.
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    Post  Shad0wChas3r on February 2nd 2015, 1:59 pm

    Bad John wrote:ALRIGHT. Let's kick some ideas around.

    Here's mine. Don't just passively accept this shit. I want some feedback.

    That means you Vale. You're the premier "Destiny Guy" and you've barely said anything this whole discussion. I ought to punch you for your insolence. d>:[

    Alright. So, there's a Guardian named Artitha. A Warlock who wields Void Light like nobody's business, and has an auto rifle forged from the steel of a broken Gjallerhorn. She's a badass, a joy to work with, and generally on the ball. Even Hunters don't talk shit about Artitha. Real rising star of the industry.

    Okay, I like this.

    A dude lured her out, and killed her in the field. Titan. Real mean. He was once just as loved as Artitha. His name was once Bellamy. They called him "The Invincible Bellamy." 

    This? Straight up? Fuck you Razz . The only real renegades were a handful of Warlocks and Hunters. Not to say Titan renegades couldn't exist, it's just highly unlikely. Call me biased, but it's in the Titan codex. Warlock books and Hunter survival skills allow them to be a bit more open minded, the Titan Codex is pretty damn strict, so an uprising Titan is unlikely, but not impossible.

    During the battle for the moon, he looked Crota in the eye, and realized the genuine despair of attempting to slow the Hive. He fled, and wasn't heard from again until now. He's a twisted, powerful Lich Titan with bony armor and huge muscles. When you see him, you're like, "fuuuuuuuuuuuck, he's pretty metal looking."

    Sounds familiar Razz . Not much to say here, but I guess Bellamy and Drake have a few things in common, by the sounds.

    Using the light of Artitha's captured Ghost, he intends to call an audience with Oryx, feeding the Hive and fueling the reconstruction of that big communicator ball the Guardians blew up on the Moon, so Oryx can directly communicate with his children once again. In the wake of the Hive's arrival on earth, having a construct like that created on our planet could be DEVASTATING, allowing Oryx (though far away) to orchestrate a campaign to turn the Earth into a massive, gross Hive just like the Moon.

    I mean, I like the idea of this. But I highly doubt that Oryx, no matter how converted Bellamy was, would ever orchestrate anything with the help of a Guardian. The whole Oryx is coming idea, I like that.

    That's where our Guardians come in. The good guys mobilize based on fractured communications from Artitha's ghost, but their ships are shot down before they can descend upon Bellamy's hideout. Trapped in the Old Ukraine, behind enemy lines, the Guardians must make their way through the territories of the Fallen House of Buzzards, and enter the domain of the Beldam Horde, where Bellamy and a powerful witch convene, feeding on the light of Artitha's ghost.

    I also like this idea very much. It'll offer a change of scenery, give us some creative license on a new house of Fallen, and explore the Hive a little more. My one qualm, again, is the Hive working openly with a Guardian, no matter how converted to the Darkness they are. You don't see Renegade Hunter Dredgen Yor pounding chests with the Fallen, Cabal, Hive, or Vex, and that sick fuck killed at least hundreds of Guardians with the Thorn.

    The mission is simple. Make it there alive, kill Bellamy, rescue the captured Ghost and revive Artitha, and destroy the Hive's construct.

    Besides all of the issues I've had with the post, I actually very much like this idea.

    Note: Just to clarify, before you reply saying anything about my remarks to the Renegade Titan. I LIKE that idea, don't get me wrong. It'll definitely change the lore from the renegade Warlocks and Hunters. So I like the idea, in fact, it'd give Drake more of a reason to want to kick his ass, so that's perfect.

    The issues I had, however, is minions of the Darkness working hand-in-hand with a creature reborn of the Light. Much like the idea of a renegade Titan, it just doesn't make sense. However, I firmly believe we can pull something together with that, so I'm all for it. I'm just looking for a way to actually make it make sense. Like, how can we explain that a Guardian has become a Husk, or whatever we want to call converted Guardians.

    Will Bellamy's life still be tethered to the Traveler? Or will it be linked to the prototype communicator the Hive are building in the Ukraine to talk with Oryx?


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    Post  Manny on February 2nd 2015, 3:05 pm

    Perhaps an alternative to having a Hive aligned Titan, is to have an imposter?

    Since the Awoken are said to live at the edge of Darkness and Light, perhaps the Hive wouldn't outright reject one. Of course, this Awoken "Titan" wouldn't actually be a Guardian since they weren't brought back to life by the Travaler (otherwise, the Hive may not work with said Awoken).

    Why would this Awoken pretend to be Bellamy? Perhaps to deter anyone who thinks Bellamy is too strong to take on. I don't have much in the way of reasons for pretending to be Bellamy.
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    Post  Shad0wChas3r on February 2nd 2015, 4:41 pm

    Manny wrote:Perhaps an alternative to having a Hive aligned Titan, is to have an imposter?

    Since the Awoken are said to live at the edge of Darkness and Light, perhaps the Hive wouldn't outright reject one. Of course, this Awoken "Titan" wouldn't actually be a Guardian since they weren't brought back to life by the Travaler (otherwise, the Hive may not work with said Awoken).

    Why would this Awoken pretend to be Bellamy? Perhaps to deter anyone who thinks Bellamy is too strong to take on. I don't have much in the way of reasons for pretending to be Bellamy.

    Actually, this idea is genius! The Awoken are a race wavering between the Light and the Dark. So perhaps a renegade Awoken, following the Titan style of combat, could take the identity of Bellamy, an Awoken Titan well reknown on the Tower, to try and frame the real Bellamy, while doing these shady things.


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    Post  Bad John on February 2nd 2015, 6:37 pm

    Part of the threat he embodies is his ability to put up a greater fight than any of our individual characters. Whether or not he's an awoken masquerading as Bellamy, or Bellamy himself, he's got to have a huge proficiency with combat in general. In my original draft of Bellamy, he wields Void Light. I suppose there could be a Darkness equivalent of that, but I wouldn't know since I'm still researching the subject.

    My main aim for Bellamy is that he be TERRIFYING. Not a cowardly husk of a man, someone who's seen fear and reclaimed it in order to join what he views as the "winning team." His end goal is to use Earth as a bargaining chip to become a knight of Oryx, and to sail with the Hive until every light is extinguished. The person best suited to take him down straight up is Artitha, but he anticipated that, and now the deck is stacked against the characters in a bad way.

    It'd be possible for the Hive to ally with a corrupted Guardian, or an Awoken, for the sole purpose of getting an organized campaign going on Earth, since they're predatory, ravenous, and wickedly clever. Whether or not they honor their deal with "Bellamy" is a non-issue since it'd fuck over everyone on earth.

    Tl;dnr - Awoken Renegade or not, Bellamy has the strength abilities required to qualify as a Titan, and a damn good one, and he's evil as shit. Barring that, I don't mind what his nature or origins are.
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    Post  It's Kruger on February 2nd 2015, 6:51 pm

    Morgan: My issue with your issue is your pure bias of the Codex of Titans. To have fear is a crack in the armor of Light. Dregen Yor had brighter light than any of us could conjure up, and he still went renegade. The Warlocks do not go around killing Guardians to our knowledge. There's nothing to be learned by it. Breaking off from the Tower to study the Hive or Vex obsessively might.  To have a code is to have something the Darkness seeks to break, so Titans are just as likely to break as any other Order or Class.

    The Hive seek to consume Light as much as they seek to serve their Gods. While it is true a Being like Oryx wouldn't concern himself with the affairs of mere Guardians, to say the Hive wouldn't take a offering of pure Light like a Ghost is folly. Bellamy would have to keep a steady stream of bountiful Light to fend off the jaws of the Hive, much like a weirder of Thorn feeds it the Light of Guardians to keep it from eating himself.

    Dregen Yor does not concern himself with the minions of Darkness because he IS Darkness. The Darkest Shadow we've ever come across, and Lions do not concern themselves with the opinion of Sheep.

    The True Awoken do not ally with either Darkness or the Light, but themselves and their Queen or fear her wrath. An Awoken powerful enough to create a Shrine to Oryx would be noticed missing by the Queen, and the brunt of the House of Wolves would fall swiftly upon their heads.

    It all makes sense, when you think about it. Much like a Coyote you feed returning to your doorstep, if this Guardian, void of all Light, offered up Light for the Hive to consume would naturally ally themselves and their food supply, especially since out Moon was deemed off limits until recently. The Hive working with Bellamy would be quick to turn and consume him should he prove no longer useful, but without an order of a God opposing it, the Hive are left to instinct which is to consume ALL Light. And if a Witch, especially a more prominent one, were to see Bellamy as an ally, the Hive would fall in line.

    Just remember: The Hive believe ALL Light should be consumed. Bellamy would be void of Light, his ties to the Traveler severed. And if he can prove useful to the Hive's Crusade, anything is possible.
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    Re: Come together! (For Great Justice)

    Post  Manny on February 2nd 2015, 8:16 pm

    For starters Vale, it seems that your knowledge of Destiny lore is greater than mine, and you speak about it in a knowledgeable way. You got me all hot and bothered Vale Wink

    Seriously though, down to business.

    Kruger 2521 wrote:Morgan: My issue with your issue is your pure bias of the Codex of Titans. To have fear is a crack in the armor of Light. Dregen Yor had brighter light than any of us could conjure up, and he still went renegade. The Warlocks do not go around killing Guardians to our knowledge. There's nothing to be learned by it. Breaking off from the Tower to study the Hive or Vex obsessively might.  To have a code is to have something the Darkness seeks to break, so Titans are just as likely to break as any other Order or Class.
    Well said Vale. Titans may be like Knights, since they both are seen as strong and loyal, but at the end of the day there's still a person underneath the armour. No one is excempted from corruption.

    Kruger 2521 wrote:The True Awoken do not ally with either Darkness or the Light, but themselves and their Queen or fear her wrath. An Awoken powerful enough to create a Shrine to Oryx would be noticed missing by the Queen, and the brunt of the House of Wolves would fall swiftly upon their heads.
    Alternatively, an Awoken powerful enough to create a Shrine of Oryx, and allied with the Hive, can probably deal with a couple of Fallen.

    The Awoken are also no Hive either. It's not entirely implausible that ONE Awoken chose to leave. Even more so if they can handle the Queen's wrath. It's also possible the Queen might not give a fuck, as she doesn't seem like the type to worry about a single individual.

    Yet another alternative is that the Awoken be Earth born and not a guardian. Actually, anyone from Earth that ISN'T a guardian could fit the bill of "being without light". The Traveler may protect those in the city, but not all are imbued with it's power.

    Which raises one question. If a guardian's power comes from the Traveler's light, then is a Guardian devoid of light still have powers?
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    Post  It's Kruger on February 3rd 2015, 2:24 am

    Earthborn Awoken would be as Lighg as the adverage human. A Reefborn Awoken would be more than likely loyal to the Queen, which raises questions on why they're attenpting to contact Oryx. The reason John gave for this Titan is that he went to Darkness after seeing thousands get cut down by Crota. The Awoken in the Reef would have never gone near that battle, let alone the Hive since they ally themselves with Fallen.

    Awoken and Humans that are not Guardians have a very small amount of Light to spark their life.

    Be it that Bungie has admitted to taking inspiration from Star Wars, and the fact that all we have on Darkness is various schools of thought and Theories, it would be safe to assume that power is power. Light and Dark are just means to use that power. So a Guardian turned to Darkness would have powers unimaginable to us. All we have on Guardians like that is Dregen Yor, and his darkness is focused in Thorn and we haven't seen him use powers of any sort besides his cannon.
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    Post  Manny on February 3rd 2015, 11:38 am

    Kruger 2521 wrote:Earthborn Awoken would be as Lighg as the adverage human. A Reefborn Awoken would be more than likely loyal to the Queen, which raises questions on why they're attenpting to contact Oryx. The reason John gave for this Titan is that he went to Darkness after seeing thousands get cut down by Crota. The Awoken in the Reef would have never gone near that battle, let alone the Hive since they ally themselves with Fallen.

    Awoken and Humans that are not Guardians have a very small amount of Light to spark their life.

    Be it that Bungie has admitted to taking inspiration from Star Wars, and the fact that all we have on Darkness is various schools of thought and Theories, it would be safe to assume that power is power. Light and Dark are just means to use that power. So a Guardian turned to Darkness would have powers unimaginable to us. All we have on Guardians like that is Dregen Yor, and his darkness is focused in Thorn and we haven't seen him use powers of any sort besides his cannon.

    Still doesn't mean one single member of the Awoken has taken too much of am interest in the Hive. However, I conced the point that the Awoken would have no real motivation to contact Oryx.

    So, I will agree with John's original idea. A Titan renegade is unique (since we haven't seem one yet) and not entirely implausible since this particular Titan looked Crota in the eye (which does give him some reason to believe the Hive cannot be beat).

    My next question is: what is lighg?
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    Post  Shad0wChas3r on February 3rd 2015, 11:56 am

    Manny wrote:
    Kruger 2521 wrote:Earthborn Awoken would be as Lighg as the adverage human. A Reefborn Awoken would be more than likely loyal to the Queen, which raises questions on why they're attenpting to contact Oryx. The reason John gave for this Titan is that he went to Darkness after seeing thousands get cut down by Crota. The Awoken in the Reef would have never gone near that battle, let alone the Hive since they ally themselves with Fallen.

    Awoken and Humans that are not Guardians have a very small amount of Light to spark their life.

    Be it that Bungie has admitted to taking inspiration from Star Wars, and the fact that all we have on Darkness is various schools of thought and Theories, it would be safe to assume that power is power. Light and Dark are just means to use that power. So a Guardian turned to Darkness would have powers unimaginable to us. All we have on Guardians like that is Dregen Yor, and his darkness is focused in Thorn and we haven't seen him use powers of any sort besides his cannon.

    Still doesn't mean one single member of the Awoken has taken too much of am interest in the Hive. However, I conced the point that the Awoken would have no real motivation to contact Oryx.

    So, I will agree with John's original idea. A Titan renegade is unique (since we haven't seem one yet) and not entirely implausible since this particular Titan looked Crota in the eye (which does give him some reason to believe the Hive cannot be beat).

    My next question is: what is lighg?

    I'm just throwing this out there to both of you, but in case you had missed it, I turned coat and actually agreed about the Renegade Titan in my original post.

    But that's besides the point, I agree with everything you've said. It really shouldn't matter what race Bellamy is. Originally, the Awoken idea spurred as a way to have a non-Guardian assisting the Hive. But since you guys suggested that a Hive Hierarch, a Wizard no less, wants to work side-by-side with a Dark Guardian, I can believe that entirely.

    As for your question Manny, he meant Light, it was just a typo.


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    Re: Come together! (For Great Justice)

    Post  Bad John on February 3rd 2015, 7:17 pm

    Alright, I suppose we're all at a consensus that a corrupted Titan (Doesn't matter what's under the mask, human, awoken, exo, or otherwise) in league with the Hive will be the main antagonist.

    The secondary antagonist, despite being the more dangerous, would be a high ranking Wizard, named Tyr, the Beldam. She'd lead a sizable hive force known as "The Beldam Horde."

    Then, there are the Fallen who have been squatting on the territory where the Beldam Horde has settled down. The House of Buzzards. They're led by a Kell, a Prime Servitor, and its associated Archon, and are a fairly functional house that's more interested in scavenging and defending their land than making war. They're pissed that the Horde is on their land, but they don't have the resources to attack it and win decisively, so they're more interested in eliminating the humans on their turf.

    What's just as important as the antagonists are the protagonists, and their reasons for wanting to get involved. I suppose the team is put together by Eris and The Speaker, both of whom have a vested interest in retrieving captured guardians, and keeping the Hive off our home turf.

    Jojo would answer the call because he, like many others, admires Artitha. Rumor has it that she also possesses something he's interested in acquiring: a priceless red sphere called "Apollo's Apple." He's confident that if he gets Artitha out in one piece, he can leverage the rescue to get ahold of the gemstone.
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    Post  Manny on February 3rd 2015, 8:37 pm

    Well Orpheus would hold a great deal of respect for Artitha, as she is an accomplished Warlock. Orpheus may not quite admire/idolize her, but he gives credit where it's due.

    Being part of Ikora Rey's "Hidden", of which Eris Morn is also a part of, would make him a likely candidate to go behind enemy lines (since that's what the Hidden do).

    Orpheus is also quite intrigued by the Hive, always looking for a chance to see them up close. He also stays in contact with Eris Morn more often than most, since he's always taking her bounties. He'd call her an acquaintance, which is more than he can say about most people, so he'd have no problem going if she asked him to.

    These are all reasons to go and there are no reasons to back out. Death is just another work hazard to Orpheus.

    In short, if called upon Orpheus will answer.

    I also think the House of Buzzards predominant colour should be brown. When I hear Buzzard I think of rotting animals.

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